Bob Gardner is a former pastor. After nearly two decades in ministry, Bob was unexpectedly let go from a church role over a theological disagreement he didn’t see coming.
In this conversation, Bob opens up about the emotional and spiritual toll of that experience, how it affected his family, and why he’s rethinking how church staff are hired, led, and released. But this isn’t a story about bitterness—it’s about healing, rediscovering purpose, and finding new ways to lead and live with integrity.
What Happened: Let Go Without Warning
Bob shares the painful moment when his church staff role ended suddenly—without a clear explanation or chance to respond.
I didn’t even know it was coming. It was just over. Overnight.
We talk about the disorientation that follows—and the emotional cost of being misunderstood and dismissed so quickly.
The Impact on His Family
There’s no protecting your spouse when something like this happens.
Bob shares how the transition impacted his wife and kids—and why the emotional weight of ministry can wear down entire families, not just the person on staff.
Why Churches Need to Communicate Expectations More Clearly
Bob reflects on how churches can improve their hiring process, clarify expectations, and handle conflict more directly and kindly.
Why People Disappear After You Leave a Church
You’re having lunch one week… and the next, they ghost you.
We explore the social dynamics that make people disappear after a pastor or staff member leaves—and why it hurts so much when church relationships feel transactional.
How He’s Finding Grace Outside of the Church World
Bob talks about landing a new job in the tech industry—and how that team has shown him more support and celebration than some church roles ever did.
They valued me for who I am—not just what I could do.
Rediscovering His Strengths Outside of a Ministry Role
In this new season, Bob is discovering that his leadership, creativity, and discernment still matter—even without a ministry title.
I used to think I belonged in the second chair. I don’t think that anymore.
What Flourishing Looks Like Now
“I want my life to cost something. I want my service to actually be an offering.”
Bob shares what a meaningful life looks like for him now:
✔ Prioritizing his wife and kids
✔ Serving the Church without being employed by it
✔ Living with clarity and calling, not guilt
✔ Using his gifts wherever God places him
This episode is for anyone who’s been let go from a ministry role, is navigating a big life transition, or is wondering how to move forward when their calling no longer fits a job description.
Everything just changed, now what?
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